# Is an AGC membership worth the dues for subs?



## Cuda

<P>I was looking into an AGC membership and was wondering if it is worth the $1,600 yearly for subs. Anyone have a membership? There are a few big name roofers in my area that are members. Was wondering if that played a part in their big name.</P>


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## AnyMonkey

Cuda said:


> <P>I was looking into an AGC membership and was wondering if it is worth the $1,600 yearly for subs. Anyone have a membership? There are a few big name roofers in my area that are members. Was wondering if that played a part in their big name.</P>


 
If not being a member somehow stops you from getting jobs then I would possibly say yes.... If it does not stop you in any way then I would say no. $1600.00 is a drop in the bucket for a big company. If I were you I would save that $1600.00 for Winter when you need it.


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## Cuda

That's what I was wondering, if having a membership gave you preference with local GC's who were also members, or if by being a member somehow gets you first notice to new projects coming up for bid or anything along those lines


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## Cuda

Mainly I was wanting to know if it helps get you into some GC's private work. We're currently bidding on public jobs and getting nowhere and would rather focus our time to building relationships with some GC's. It seems to be a good place to start, but so far I haven't heard any experiences with them from any subcontractors


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## Grumpy

$1,600 is a day's gross profit, perhaps 2 days. I would say to keep your $1,600 in your pocket until you know for sure. If you'll get 3 or 4 one day jobs out of the deal, it is an investment. You'll need at least 12 or more solid qualified leads to accomplish this, probably more in the GC-Sub game.


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## Cuda

Absolutely. We have been doing a great job keeping up with the big names as far as negotiated jobs go, but are having trouble building relationships with any GC's. Thought public bidding through sites like iSqFt and Dodge would be a great place to start, but we've been submiting bids to anyone and everyone and getting bunk. At this point I don't believe it's an issue of pricing, we've bid a few jobs where our margins were extremely slim just to see what happened after not winning for months and still somehow got under bid. I was just told about the AGC the other day from one of our reps and looked into my states chapter. Thinking about canceling our public bid site accounts and investing into a membership there instead, but I wanted to check the experiences of other subs for that exact reason, if it doesn't lead to solid leads, it just seems like another waste of time and money.


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## Grumpy

Cuda said:


> Absolutely. We have been doing a great job keeping up with the big names as far as negotiated jobs go, but are having trouble building relationships with any GC's. Thought public bidding through sites like iSqFt and Dodge would be a great place to start, but we've been submiting bids to anyone and everyone and getting bunk. At this point I don't believe it's an issue of pricing, we've bid a few jobs where our margins were extremely slim just to see what happened after not winning for months and still somehow got under bid. I was just told about the AGC the other day from one of our reps and looked into my states chapter. Thinking about canceling our public bid site accounts and investing into a membership there instead, but I wanted to check the experiences of other subs for that exact reason, if it doesn't lead to solid leads, it just seems like another waste of time and money.


www.thebluebook.com I get invitations to bid all the time. I don't do new construction so almost never ever bid. Also contact every single bidding GC on a project and submit your bids to them. Sometimes you can contact the architect and ask them who the GC's are. 

Alot of work to be the low bidder if you ask me.


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## AnyMonkey

Grumpy said:


> www.thebluebook.com I get invitations to bid all the time. I don't do new construction so almost never ever bid. Also contact every single bidding GC on a project and submit your bids to them. Sometimes you can contact the architect and ask them who the GC's are.
> 
> Alot of work to be the low bidder if you ask me.


 
I hate GC work and quite often I tell them to lose my number when they try and latch on to me..... if you can make it without them you are better off. These days it seems more and more like the guy who makes the biggest mistake gets the work anyways. I would rather have a little more room to work with on the re and re side of things.


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## Cuda

We have a free listing on the blue book but I've noticed a pattern there in that the plans and specs are almost never uploaded until a few days before the bid is due, so I hardly bid on those projects either. I agree with you there AnyMonkey, it does seem like the person who makes the biggest mistake wins. Maybe public bidding just isn't worth it. Have either of you ever won any public bids?


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## AnyMonkey

Cuda said:


> We have a free listing on the blue book but I've noticed a pattern there in that the plans and specs are almost never uploaded until a few days before the bid is due, so I hardly bid on those projects either. I agree with you there AnyMonkey, it does seem like the person who makes the biggest mistake wins. Maybe public bidding just isn't worth it. Have either of you ever won any public bids?


 
I win public bidding all the time.... I just choose not to quote the ones that are being run by general contractors.... nothing I hate more than when a GC shops my price to his buddies after the tender closes. If you pick the jobs that are most catered for your style and that you know you have a competitive edge with then you will do ok... just don't waste your time trying to quote all of them. Also, don't be afraid to quote one a bit high now and then... if other companies think you have filled up it might make the opportunity a little easier when there is one you want.

Im not sure if bonding is the same in the US as it is in Canada but most public tender stuff here requires a 10% performance and labour bond sent in with the quotes... so if a bidder makes a mistake and he tries to walk he has to cough up 10% of the bid price as penalty or pay the difference between him and the next bidder.

Something that just happened here..... One of the schools in our area just closed... there were about 10 bidders..... I was on the higher side of them but there were two guys that were almost 100k lower than me and my quote was 332k.... the 3rd low was 288k... 1st low was 232k and 2nd low was 235..... bonded bid.....
low guy walked and had to pay 3k which then meant the 2nd bidder had to make a choice... pay 23k or do the job


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