# How do I find roofing crews with OSHA fall protection certification?



## quaswaldo

A well trained, OSHA certified roofing crew appears to be nonexistent. Does anyone else have issues with their roofing crews not wanting to wear harnesses and not wanting to tie off with their fall protection equipment? I would like to know how other roofing companies are finding certified roofing crews. Our roofing company is located in GA and we are looking for good roofing crews that don't need babysitting all the time. Any suggestions on where to find OSHA compliant roofing crews would be much appreciated.


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## AnyMonkey

quaswaldo said:


> A well trained, OSHA certified roofing crew appears to be nonexistent. Does anyone else have issues with their roofing crews not wanting to wear harnesses and not wanting to tie off with their fall protection equipment? I would like to know how other roofing companies are finding certified roofing crews. Our roofing company is located in GA and we are looking for good roofing crews that don't need babysitting all the time. Any suggestions on where to find OSHA compliant roofing crews would be much appreciated.


 
You will never be able to avoid the babysitting unfortunately.... there is no such thing as people that wear their harnesses ALL the time no matter how much training there is. If you are hiring subs you have to be diligent and fill in your paperwork, get them to sign it... give them safety straps.... heck install them for them if you have to. Where I live the subs must all carry Workers comp or else we are not allowed to hire them... and if we do hire them then we will have to pay all of their workers comp fees which is about 8%.

If you do your part and keep a good paper trail then you have done all you can do... in my area it falls back on their comp if I can prove we did everything we could to help them comply..... we have gotten to the point that we have a safety/quality control guy visiting the sites every day... multiple times if needed to make them comply.


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## quaswaldo

Thanks for your help. I think another big problem is that a lot of roofing companies don't supervise the subs and the crews get used to doing whatever they want. I like the idea of having a safety/quality control guy come out to the job site daily. What is the best way to find new installers? Our subs are currently trying to take on too much work so the number of laborers varies on a daily basis.


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## AnyMonkey

quaswaldo said:


> Thanks for your help. I think another big problem is that a lot of roofing companies don't supervise the subs and the crews get used to doing whatever they want. I like the idea of having a safety/quality control guy come out to the job site daily. What is the best way to find new installers? Our subs are currently trying to take on too much work so the number of laborers varies on a daily basis.


 
you know the problem is... that usually if they are any good then they are already working for someone... when you put an ad out on craigslist the best you can hope for is to get the best of the worst available..... because most of our work is consultant driven if we put out an ad for the crew the first thing we ask them is which consultants they have worked for. If they say none then we don't hire them. Sometimes I think it is better to just find one really good roofer and build a crew around him but not everyone uses hourly crews.

during the interviews they all come across like rock stars but in my experience the guys that tell me how great they are usually turn out to be the worst.


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## 1985gt

Hire your own employees and stop using subs. If your employees do not follow the rules, you get new ones.


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## How'd that get there

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We don't use subs. We employ upwards of 80 - 100 people and we have a full time safety director and we work hard to keep our mod and recordables down. That costs a lot of money which we know is money well spent. I see a lot of pseudo contractors here which are really nothing more than hiring houses that depend on subs with very few of their own employees. Your not investing in them so what makes you think they are interested in you?

I'm sure there are reasons for the sub business model and some may even make sense...............being a life long roofer and contractor on the commercial side I've never grasped the "we use subs concept". To be honest it seems a little disingenuous to call yourself a contractor. No different than a pimp calling himself an entertainment promoter!
Anyway why do you think a "roofing crew" is OSAH trained? You mean like a real contractor invested the money on an entire crew and then they left? Do you really think a group of guys " a crew" are going to go out and spend their own money to get trained just to go to work as and be treated like a sub? 
If you're not trying to reap the rewards of some other contractor's investment go and hire, train, and invest in your own roofers


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## AnyMonkey

How'd that get there said:


> We don't use subs. We employ upwards of 80 - 100 people and we have a full time safety director and we work hard to keep our mod and recordables down. That costs a lot of money which we know is money well spent. I see a lot of pseudo contractors here which are really nothing more than hiring houses that depend on subs with very few of their own employees. Your not investing in them so what makes you think they are interested in you?
> 
> I'm sure there are reasons for the sub business model and some may even make sense...............being a life long roofer and contractor on the commercial side I've never grasped the "we use subs concept". To be honest it seems a little disingenuous to call yourself a contractor. No different than a pimp calling himself an entertainment promoter!
> Anyway why do you think a "roofing crew" is OSAH trained? You mean like a real contractor invested the money on an entire crew and then they left? Do you really think a group of guys " a crew" are going to go out and spend their own money to get trained just to go to work as and be treated like a sub?
> If you're not trying to reap the rewards of some other contractor's investment go and hire, train, and invest in your own roofers


 
I agree with some of what you said there but there is a big difference between hiring by the hour employees to do flat commercial than it is to try and hang on to steep roofing residential roofers who do not see the benefits in stable employment. What almost always happens is the company invests time, money, safety training and a lot of effort in an employee that runs out and buys himself a skillsaw and a nail gun the first chance he gets and heads for the high water of sub work. Yes they usually fail and end up working for someone else but it is the roofer way.

Luckily on the flat side of things jobs are usually much larger which means they cant afford the material or get enough credit and if it is SBS they usually can not get fire insurance so it is much more difficult to be a flat sub than a shingle which is why we can hang on to our commercial roofers.

Subs definitely have their place in our industry. We don't have to lay them off we just don't give them more work.....they can help us out of a bind when we book too much work, steep or flat. A good roofer is a good roofer whether he is a sub or not and its usually a good idea to hang on to good roofers no matter how you have to pay them.


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